Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/15/2007 10:49 AM)
Well, you can do that.. or you can just take over Andronnai :P Its established, has its home and villages..and has a positive name for itself. Think about it Wayne. Plus, im not going anywhere just yet. I am still in game and so far I have only caught you when you are crafting most of the time. 
Well, let me know what you think.. okay?
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/15/2007 10:54 AM)
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Wildhighlander
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(Date Posted:01/15/2007 12:49 PM)
I know that I havent been around to play due to finances but Andronnai is always first in my mind. I dont understand why you just didnt take over and continue here. The way you did this months early and no warning or even talking to us feels like a knife in the back. Makes me glad I didnt restart my account becouse I dont like the dissapointment this is giving us.
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(Date Posted:01/15/2007 6:16 PM)
Sorry to hear you leave, I'm part of a few gaming clans, and its more about having a group of people to play lots of games then just one game. Good luck in starting over. Take Care.
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 2:25 AM)
Well i have thought long and hard on what to say. I had to even edit my own post earler this morning. Thinking it was better to hold my toung for a while and think on things a little more.
Now that I have, I think I am better able to explress my thoughts more clearly. There are several things that have gone through my head in the last 19 hours. Some things are old topics but stand out, others are minor issues. Some perhaps, are even petty, but still stand out and seem to form a complete picture to me. Of course, just like everything else, a picture can be view differently by each person.
First thing is, I have been in game about 30 minutes to an hour and a half per day, on most days at least. I am not always on Arlinithii, I do have a few other toons. Not all of them were in Andronnai either. I have even helped some of you out in the last week. So I am realy disapointed that not one person had seen fit to let me know what was being discussed. Expecialy since I have talked the last week to a few of the GM's in the alliance about when I do leave in may (If i dont reup my daoc sub, that is). I have talked about volunteers for whom wants to take over my account when I do finaly quit, eventualy. I have talked about whom would want my account and all the houses and how i have over 350 plat stored up for rent and other needs so no need to worry there. I was even given the reply that the coin is not important a few times. So me being around I do not think is an issue. Plus everyone aught to know I can be contacted on the forum by post or PM. I can be contacted or left a message vie Yahoo Messenger, or through Ventrillo. I have been active in all of these. So claiming that I have not been around or am impossible to contact is just not true. I was talking to Jer and James just a couple days ago about what they would like to see, whom wants my accounts and so on. It is not like I was just going to leave you all High And Dry.
I was just talking this weekend some with Dale sister that was over visiting. I let her know whom I was. I have been on vent, or someone has been about 75% of the time. Whether its someone in DAoC or in Vanguard, there has been someone on. And last, as I pointed out.. anyone could have posted on the forum in the council or alliance section about what was being talked about.
Do not get me wrong.. I do understand to a point the reasions. If someone had talked to me, I would have understood no problem. And more then likely I would ahve even helped you out with what ever you may have needed or wanted. After all, this was suppose to be a "Family Guild/Alliance" correct? It is not like I have not posted almost every day here. I thought I had stressed to many people over the years that the only thing I ask for is honesty and communication?
Now Wayne, if you or anyone else would have checked the roster you would see that my toons were still active, all of them, even the ones that were in Keepers, House Loins of Cynder and Bane. You would see that both my toons and Micheals had earned realm points form the BG's. I may not have been on all the time, or at the exact same time you were always, but I was still active, still paying rents, still pl'ing some people. I even did this to a limited amount on Jons comptuer when mine was down. By the way, Arlin is now 4L6 (made that two weeks ago somehow.. think it was luck since i was only on for an hour.)
To say that there was no one around, is simply not true. John was still around as well checking in, playing little toons, and still making potions for everyone on a regular basis. Micheal has still been on as well as christopher also. So claiming that we were not around at all that "the alliance has no-one that can spare the time" is simply not true. Plus, isnt an alliance a coopertive made up of all the guilds and GM's? I can do a lot of things, but i cannot recruite for the other guilds. Which is something I was still doing, even Sunday, I let everyone know that there was about 5 people looking for a guild. And yes Wayne you were on then, you were in Lab at the time.
Over the last few months I have seen some realy stupid reasions for certon GM's to not take responcibility in the alliance. Including claiming they are a hard core or "Heavy" RvR guild. Yet that same guild had not made one RP three weeks befor they left, nor have they yet to this day. Each week its the same. I have been told that the alliance is not active enough and I need to do something. But lords sake, I posted my Moms Rant, and all I got was offer to pay rents. Money was never the problem. All the power leveling I have done for everyone since Lab came out I have made a store to last for a while. And I let everyone know this. I cannot dictate what each GM does in their own guild. I cannot make them recruite and their members be more active.
All in all, being told I am unreachable is bullock! and nonsence. There are many avenues any one of you could have taken to let me know what was being discussed. Instead of me logging in and being told that all the guilds are reforming else where under another guild name, and have other alliances they are looking at. Lords know i practiuly live on this computer since I am unable to do much else due to my health.
Being blaimed for the state of the alliance is rubbish as well. Whether it is directly or indirectly. It does not matter. The state of the alliance is the responcibility of each and every guild, each and every GM. You all entered the alliance knowing full well it was a cooperative alliance where all gm's worked together.
If you left because you think the guild and alliance was not what it should have been, take a look at yourselves as well. Look at what you have brought into the alliance, actions as well as what new members you have brought into the alliance. Now there is one exception to this. There are two GM's that have worked hard in the last month to realy get their guild up and become much more active, and I applaude you two! You know who you are.
If you choose to play other realms and or servers, then that is your choice. If you do so and miss others that are in the guild or alliance, that is no ones fault but your own. To claim that there is no one on at all ever, is not conclusive to building a strong alliance.
In conclusion, if you want to listen to what others say and think i had already left, but did not wish to check the herald and vew my status on all the toons, as well as the rp's over the last month, so be it. Do not blaim it on me. If you wish to ignore me telling you all that I have NEVER left a game cut and dry, and that it usualy takes me a year to leave once we move on, then so be it. I know I have both posted it, and told many people this very thing. And my own history can show it. I will repeate this again: I did not leave BNet when I came to DAoC for almost two years. I would not just up and leave here. Even if I was not having fun, there is still potential. Such as Bane recruting and bringing new blood into the alliance and livening it up some.
Now, as far as the move, I think its silly myself. Someoe would have had my accounts. Capped out LGM crafters, Mucho plat, all the villages to support an entire guild and or alliance however you all had seemed fit, the realm points and status. Whether it was reformed or not, does not matter... but to leave all that behind for what ever reasion is beyond me. IF YOU WOULD HAVE TALKED TO ME and let me know what you were all thinking of, things could have worked out in what ever way.
In the end, you all that have left or are in the process of leaving have left a few of us in the exact situation some of you were complaining about. No guild no alliance noone around at all. I guess I do not have to worry about not being able to play my little toons now eh?
Am I angry? Yes, a little. But more then anything I am very disapointed in everyone of you that knew of this, made this desission and did not make one effort to talk to me. I am not hard to get a hold of at all. Only time I am, is when I am in the hopsital, and frankly I have not been there in some time now. So there is no excuse what so ever. Would I have been upset if someone or all of you had talked to me? Nope, not at all, I would have understood. As I said, I would have even helped out as I could.
Being told the reasion for no one talking to me does not matter at all is hurtfull. But I will live! Being told that Bane, Sacred Hearts, House Lions, Ronins Blade, The Keepers (and whom ever else I am forgetting at moment, though I think that was it) Are all leaving and it was discussed and decided upon beause I am "Eventualy Leaving the game" is utter rubbish. Thank you for leaving me in the dark and in the cold
Thank you for leaving myself and Micheal to play alone in a three man guild. I do hope all works out well for you.
If anyone wants to say something or rebuttle anything here, please feel free to. I would love to have some semblems of understanding on what this happened with out one of you thinking of letting me know at the least. Nothing like logging in and seeing someone pulling toons out .. and then being told that everyone is leaving to form one guild. And you know what? Not even one single offer for me to bring even one little toon over .. nope. Nothing. Just left in the cold. Sad story eh?
Peace,
So long and thank you for all the fish.
Sarrene'
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praykor
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:06 AM)
Well i can understand that you might be a little dissapointed, but really facts are you are leaving whether it be now or a few months down the track. We decided that it was in our best interest to get started as soon as possible on making a decision on where we were headed. I cant think of why you would want us to stay till the death tolls were sounding in 3 or even 4 months or 6 months if you were leaving.
I am happy at the decision that was reached in forming a new name guild rather than decided which of the alliance guilds we should keep. Either way some would have to give up what others would not, so this way we all gave up the things we used to have, including good guild names that are widely known.
As for not discussing with you before hand, well really i am a grown man i decide what i want when i want it. it was in MY best interest to get an early start on a new beginning and put behind me the old ways.
I did mention it wasnt an easy thing i didnt just say "oh well leaving drow, oh well". I will miss the guild the bp's the merit bonuses and our entire village , and more importantly the people that are leaving. But times do well change and so does the direction we head off into, for the few that are left playing and that doesnt just mean for the next few months, we are getting together as one guild, to play hunt and do whatever, but together.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:14 AM)
I have to agree here. Of the newer members, A family we were to you. To leave and do wht you are doing now is redunant.
You have created your own Fate. Though Andronnai will live on, this I have no doubt.
In your haist this future you claimed to have fears for, is exactly what you create
Be leary of your fates, for a gift you had in presence, and for you all a kind soul and heart
Nothing you have done to the matron and her family but distain and disrespect
In other words, I am sorry to see you all leave, whom ever it is. I also shall remaim. My alliance is and always will be with the house. If you wish to stay, I am sure you will be welcome. House Andronnai has lived beyond many of your years, and shall continue ever more. Even if it is just the original members, we shall always be a family.
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Amin sinta thaliolle e dagor
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:23 AM)
Ah, i see.. and not even an invitation for me to join either, in any capasity. As I said you wrote me off, even when I was thinking of staying for another session. Sad thing realy.
You said you will miss all the matierial things, and yet the people that were there for you and vice versa are the last thing you think of.
Again, leave us, me alone. Funny how it its okay for me and the others in Andronnai to be left alone, yet it is not okay for you to have that same feeling. Revers the situation for a minute and think about it
As far as games, I told you and many others I play usualy two or three games at once. I have been palying Eve, the beta for months and daoc. Befor Vnguard Beta, it was the Dark and Light Beta, befor that was the Darkfall beta, befor that was the DDO Beta.... From what I understand, we have to only play one game now in order to be accepted by you? Sounds funny if you ask me. Expecialy since when you were playing another game for a few months and none of us saw you, we did not kick you out and leave you in the cold.
One of the things that Andronnai stands for is that everyone will always have a home. And this is still true, and will always be true. Perhaps its okay that you all have made this very inconsiderate disission. It frees us up to open our doors and put more effort into not an alliance, but into our own guild.
Peace,
Sarrene'
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praykor
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:31 AM)
I actually would have thought you'd already know that if you so chose to join a toon that you would have been welcome. If you think that you need one of us to say it to you then i am saying it now, any and all are welcome.
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:40 AM)
Of course, expecialy when I mentioned about us being left behind, and all you said is that i am eventualy leaving and want to be with people that are staying instead. So yes, I would think an invitation would have been nice, at least offered.
I know you are an adult.. but as I said, think about it in reverce.. how would you or any of you in the alliance feel if i did the same in reverce?
That and the fact that you all seem to forget the fact that I have said that I am not going anywhere yet, and it is uauly a 6 months to a year.
Does not matter, in my eyes it was very disrespectfull. And that will not change. It is also the same in others in Andronnai. I wish you all luck
If you all would have talked to me at any point instead of me being in angame and seeing accounts leaving one by one, I would have understood and even have helped.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 4:56 AM)
Last night it did not sound like we <Andronnai> would be welcome at all. I know that I had mentioned restarting my account several times after christmas once I had that taken care of despite not liking what lybrinth did to the game but I was going to come back. Other things just kept getting in the way and it was hard to do. Now I think I will let my account die permently or at least activate it long enough to sell.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 5:32 AM)
Now with me being as one of the old members of the guild and not being around for a while i feel as though this should of been handled in a better manner. I know you wayne, well at least i used to know you and would of expected you to let someone know that you were going to be starting up another guild with the current alliance.
As i have said before i know i have not been around in quite a while but i have considered all of the members of House Andronnai and Andronnai as family even if we disagreed on things in the end we had figured them out which leads me to believe there has to be something else behind your reasoning for leaving so abruptly.
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Ogmodord level 50 Armsman/GM Weapon Crafter
Skolick level 50 ice wizzy
Saresas level 28 Minstrel/Alchemist
Nyramos level 50 Necro/Spellcrafter
Graron level 41 earth theurg
Nykore level 34 infiltrator
Edybryn level 50 cleric
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 8:24 PM)
This is the first I have heard of any of this, I just logged on today from work and I did not log on at all yesterday, because I was too tired when I came in. Anyhow for the most part the gm representatives for Sacred heart and The keeper's live in my house. None of them have told me anything about leaving, or going anywhere. Sarah please don't clump my guilds in with the disrespect because up until 5 minutes ago i was clueless. I had no idea that anyone was going anywhere, I played some this weekend and never heard a thing, in fact as far as I know my guild was not even invited to go. Mom has not been on except for long enough to come and rez me when I died trying to do krogers (spelling) alone on my newly level 50 friar Jilliana. Thanks to alliance members who helped me get there, I was sick by the time i reached 45.5 of killing pitch skellies and ghouls, and they let me go with them to ac to get the last 5 bubbles of 50. I do not know when Wica or other members such as Kevin and Foro was last on or who he may have talked to, but not one person alone can make decisions for the Two guilds that we are in wiht out at least discussing it with the rest of us of Ivory at least. I would like to think if they had talked to her she would have said something to me about it because Iam still there playing and it would affect me.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 8:57 PM)
Well im not really sure where to start. maybe to say sorry first of all to sara and a few others that i havent been around to help with this situation. for those that dont know i am pregnant and have had a severe cold since last saturday that has kept me out of work for 2 days. its hard having nausea and then a bad cold on top of it.. it sucks! anyways i have to say im a bit disappointed.. assuming i got everything right it looks like guilds left the alliance with no notice? er not enough of one? now i dont think it was just wayne.. it looks like a bunch of ppl from the different guilds made this decission together. in a way i understand because lets face it alot of us dont play anymore. whether its because of money problems (which we all have at one point in time) sickness or just plain ol dont feel like moving off the couch/bed! (<-- it was hard for me to even get on today!)
what i dont understand tho is why you guys just didnt take over.. like sara said you have the villages/houses and lgm crafters.. who wouldnt want that??! but instead everyone just left. some of you play other realms most of the time so why bother making another guild when you know your only gonna play for a day or two and go back to a different realm??
all in all i think in the end the "family" will be together still. minus a few yes but this isnt the end. im hoping that im able to get on more soon as im feeling better. im behind on so much right now! my housework and all kinds of things! i hope that those that left know that they were wrong in how they went about doing this! and to those that care <hugs> i'll be back on as soon as i can stand er sit here without feeling beyond nauseaited!
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 9:07 PM)
As you are all raking Wayne over the coals, I will applued him. My alliance and service has always been to THE PEOPLE, not the name. If the people are leaving, why not start fresh? I do not understand why it is an issue, why it is being hashed over. Fact of the matter, we made a decision. It was not posted to piss everyone off, it was posted out of RESPECT. We did not want anyone to feel like we were hiding this decision. It was not made in haste, it has been talked about for awhile. I am not a very vocal player, but when the decision was up for discussion, I did speak my opinion. Do what you wish, it's been done. It's over, and now that it's been done, bashing the people that were part of that decision is a mute point. What's done is done, and so am I.
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 9:17 PM)
Grats Niq on the new baby , and i sure hope you get to feeling better and get back on , iam working now but i still get on in the afternoons and look forward to playing with you again <hugs>
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 9:48 PM)
hmm what????????? Sorry folks I have been in VG beta and playing wow with some old daoc friends for a couple of weeks so this is all news to me. I dont know who made this decision for SH and TK but they are dead wrong at least at this moment they are =) Those 2 guilds will most likedly stay right where they are until I caome back if i come back. If I do come back then yes I do think we will probably look for an active allaince if most are gone to tother games and allainces. If I dont come back, I will turn all those decisions over to my daughter and it will be up to her. I dont know where this mis-info came from but I would appreciate it if my 2 guilds were left out of this discussion. It doesnt invovle us and we dont know anything about it.
Thanks
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 9:53 PM)
The biggest thing is that no one talked to us. Yes we would of helped set up a new guild yes we would of had houses available to those that wanted it and yes we would of understood but no one said a word to sarah and now this morning finding out no one said much of anything to anybody else. Hard to be "for the people" when you spend most of your time gone on another realm. Hard to be seen as anything other then back stabbers when half the guild leaders are oblivious to whats going on.
My reasons for not being in game were purely financial, I kept putting off starting my account back up but I was going to becouse michael and chris wanted that account up. We would of still been around for a time but no one thought of John, Niq, Michael, Christopher, Judy and Dawana's guild. Wayne you made that decission for everyone with out talking to them first and now it looks like you cut people out on purpose too.
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/16/2007 11:49 PM)
You know, Now that I have found out that this was not an Alliance dession, but one that only a hand full of people actualy made has changed some things for me. I feel a lot better. Though in others ways much more disapointed. I am very disapointed becuse I thought I could trust what one person told me. Yet to find out that the guilds that were listed, that this was NOT a desission the "whole alliance" made, is quite disheartening.
To the other guild leaders, on behalf of Andronnai and myself, I appoligise to those that I had yelled at. However, I am still upset.
Now, aireanna, You state that you are happy with the desission made. That is fine, but you do not understand why myself or anyone else would be upset? Lords girl, wayne had said that this was an alliance desission. Bringing in all the other guilds into this. And still not talked to me. I am not hard to find. I have been in game with smaller toons most of the time actualy playing the game. I am always on these forums, and one can contact me via forum PM's or yahoo. You canb be happy with your desission all you like. But frankly if you claim to be for the people, That I will have to disagree with. I think most may here.
I think that the whole situation is rediculous, and was uncalled for. Bringing in either directly or implying other guilds and people that had nothing to do wtih your guilds apparent desission was wrong. Plain and simple. Ranking wayne over the coals? yes perhaps we are, however it was his desission to do this with out letting us know. It was his words AND implications that it was an entire alliance desission. When in truth, come to find out it was not!
Now, what was the problem with letting me know what was going on? How hard would it have been to let anyone know? I still would have helped out in any way I was able, I still would have understood. Any one of us would have. Its not hard to figure out realy. Expecialy if you claim to know me, or any one of us. So instead of talking or letting anyone know what was going on, you all decided to just leave and claim it was an alliance desission. Odd thing there dont you think?
However, I have to give Wayne some credit. He is the only one that did actualy talk to me. Everyone else that was involved ignored me, or apparently did not "see" me asking in game what was going on. Convient I think. And yes, you are one of them included in that group. You and all those from Ronins Blade are at fault here. Anyone of you could have talked ot me when I was asking what was going on. Any one of you could have explained to any one of us what you wanted or felt you needed in game. Its not that hard realy. After all, you did make a post here. I am not even going to cover your post you made. It is nonsence, and is the type of attitude this alliance and my guild likes to avoid.
As far as dragging in other guilds and claiming it was an "Alliance dession" I am even more upset about this. Expecialy finding out that a good majority of people had NO knowledge of this untill I PM'ed them and posted my first long responce to this situation. One person cannot make a desission like this for the entire alliance and expect everyone to just follow. And to make such a claim is just wrong.
What happens to this alliance when I do leave, who knows. But that is something I still plan on talking to everyone about. And helping out in what ever direction they all wish to go in. For those of us that will be playing Vanguard, a few of us will still be palying DAoC or other games just as always.
Myself and many members play more then one game. Always have. Its part of gaming. A lot of us share these games as well. It has never hindered the Guild or even this alliance befor.
I remember Wayne playing on another servers and realm.. we never abondoned him. I remember him playing Civ and we never left. I remember Chip and Scott and even you aireanna playing on an other realm for moths, and even when we (As a real alliance) talked about cleaning up, we never kicked any of you out. We did not abanon any of you. We hve had people leave and join and leave again.. and each time they have talked to us and we even helped them set up their new guild, get a house and so on. I guess in your desission, you have abanonded that option now. Myself, I cannot speak for anyone else. But with the lies, the implied lies and the lack of consideration, there shall be no assistance on my behalf. All it would have taken was a little communitaction. If you know my history, I have helped almost everyone out that has left in one way or another. Even if it ment getting them a new house, a guild house, a body to form that guild and so on. But as you said, you four made your choice. It is now final. Once more though I am disapointed, but life goes on.
You all still have access to the forums, just not the council, family room and any other privite section. This was something that even wayne once voted on for the guild and how we run the forums, and it shall stay as such. You are welcome to visit any time you wish. Of course, I am sure many of you will not, the invitation is still there. I may be angry, upset and disapointed, however I have never held a grudge nor banned anyone yet to this day.
To those that I had believed was part of this. I appoligise to you all on my own behalf and on Andronnai's behalf. We were led to believe that you all were leaving like this and taking what you could and run with it. I was wrong in thinking that what i was lead to believe was true with out talking to you all first. For this lack of jedgement, my appligies. Dawana, Judy, Dale, Tyler and anyone else that was not part of this. My appoligies. Tyler, my appoligies to you most of all, since you had to get the brunt of my frustrations.
For the rest that are still around, let me know.. and we can continue to talk about the direction everyone wants to go in when I do leave. Since I am not going to renew my sub now for DAoC, we have about 4 months. I think that is plenty of time.
Peace,
Sarrene'
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Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. -Ayn Rand
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wicalldry
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 7:34 AM)
Just to let everyone know that i paid alot of money on my account. I paid mine, Dawana's and Judy's up for the whole year. I spent over $300.00 and im not going anywhere. Like i said this morning. I spent alot of money on these accounts and im stuck here for the time being. Mo youre right i haven't been playing much well not hardly at all. But thats because i have been actively looking for work. I finally found a job at BLOCKBUSTER as an assistant manager. This is took alot of time for me (anyone ever in management would totally understand). I hate that it came to this. I was not informed on behalf of SH or TK and im one of the GM's in both guilds. We don't make decisions here without talking them over first and then when we make our decision it will be publically known. I hate to see so many friends be torn apart because of this but.....
This is my explanation of it. I plan on staying here till there is no more. Or my account closes. Which ever comes first. I am greatful for all the help I have recieved but i think Judy has summed up my opinion of the whole ordeal. We as a guild were unaware of the change. I hate to see some of my friends go.I appologize for not being able to play like i would like to but, I have a family to help take care of as I said before but will try to be here more often. I just want to take this time to say. Hate to see ya go. Most will be missed. I'm really sorry on my behalf as far as being inactive. Im not here to bash or offend anyone.
Thanks,
Wica AKA Dale
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aireanna
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 8:51 AM)
I did not say I was speaking for everyone. I said my alliance was to the people who played. But if you want me to be honest, I have never really felt like part of the family you preach about. I have always felt like the accepted in-law. No one ever asked me how I was, what I needed help with. No one ever asked me to go on a hunt, or ML raids, or jack crap. Fact of that matter, I have never felt like a member of the alliance. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone, but I'm tired of the games. You are not a family, you are a click. You accept those you want to, and "deal" with whatever else comes along. When is that last time any of you asked me how I was? When was the last time any of you made a comment about me being gone for a week, month, however long? No one ever told me they were glad when I came back. So, no. You are not a family. A real family gives a shit about every member, not just some. Now, as for feeling left out of a decision, how does it feel? I have never had anyone ask my thoughts, feelings or opinions on anything. You wanna be mad, be mad. You wanna kick me out, kick me out. But if you're gonna say what a caring family this is, learn my name. Talk to me as a person. Ask me how my day was. At least pretend to give a shit that I'm here. As far as I'm concerned, I have no reason to visit this forum anymore, so talk all the crap about me you want to. I had left my necro in Ronin's so I could stay in touch with the alliance during this whole thing, but screw it. I don't really care anymore. This alliance has never felt like something I belonged to, or something I was part of. It was just a group of people. I'm done with it.
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Sarrene
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 9:48 AM)
hmm.. So I never called you amanda? I never asked you what you think? I never tried my best to bring you into the conversation, like music quests or anything else? Interesting. Because I know i have many times. And I have seen people many times. Of course a lot depends on if one wants to talk in the alliance or guild. I have many times, Ale has tried, Niq has tried, many people have tried when they see you are actualy on. And yes, I have given you hugs befor, even drive by ones when I saw you. I do that to everyone.
If you do not say hello, then most will not know you are on. I never saw you as an outsider or anything else. I did see you as quiet, withdrawn at times, perhaps even a bit sullen at times. But when you would talk or answer, it was fun. I think this is how most have seen you. But if you want to feel like an outsider there is nothing that anyone can do about it.
Im sorry to see you all go, I was upset about the way things had gone. But hey.. what can I do about it? What can any of us do about it? How we fit in is up to each of us. If you want to fit in anywhere.. then you have to talk, you have to say hello yourself.
But, if you will read back, you will see that I would have helped people out, I would have helped you all out if someone had let me know what was going on. Not tell me it was an entire aliance desission and ther was no need to tell me. Of course that was not true as I am finding out. But hey! That is in the past.
Peace,
Sarrene'
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Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. -Ayn Rand
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wicalldry
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 9:49 AM)
No dear I dont know you and im sorry never heard of you till today actually. I am Wicalldry and i belong to the Sacred Hearts and The Keepers guilds. I know of your husband and i know a few others here but noone but a handful ever got to know me either. My name is Dale and Dawana is my wife and i work at Blockbuster and i have three step children. So who are you and what do you do? Hello and how are you?
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 10:01 AM)
Amanda:
If one does not speek
Then friends you do not seek.
Talk out to those you see
And your soul shall be free.
Hide in your tiny hole
Blaim others for troubles whole.
Saddness will be your grief
And peace will only last brief.
Face your problems soon
Or nothing to come but boon.
Seek out peace at heart
And forgiveness shall be the start.
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Amin sinta thaliolle e dagor
I know your strength in battle.
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Ensane
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 12:20 PM)
Hmmmmm, funny how if im invisible on aim, yahoo, not in vent, and dont say anything in a game, nobody says anything to me (maybe because im trying to hide that that time). But whenever i initiate a conversation in game, aim, yahoo, my other clans (yes i have 2 others so if im not in Drow im helping a friend out with something else) or just life in general it seems to get the other people to open up. Communication is a two way street, if nobody takes the first step then nothing happens. Personally i use to had having to start everything and it got annoy but i learned that if i take the first step normally people listen and follow. Its easier to start and know what will happen then to sit back and hope something will happen.
Like sara said how hard was leaving a pm say: "A few people are making a new alliance, can we get some help?" Maybe 5 seconds? 10 tops. Amanda i dont know you, i didnt play DAoC long enough, but i have seen your type around, dont really surprise me much (want to blast my post go for it, gives me a reason to be a cynical asshole, im good at that from what ive heard ^^). I understand that the future brings change, but change and revolt are 2 different things. You have to do what you see fit for yourselves.
I have left a few guilds for inactivity and such, but those still active i told and i played with in groups and such even after the fact. In the end, dont burn your bridges or you might be stuck in the middle of a swift river!
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praykor
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(Date Posted:01/17/2007 2:38 PM)
Wow this has really stirred the pot up a bit, but we shall see what happens with time. Another few months and we'll see who is still here and who has actually gone.
For me this isnt a revolt because we have nothing to revolt against. people were told the alliance and guild leader was leaving, doesnt matter 1 2 3 months, fact is its a done deal. I decided that i would get an early start 1 2 3 months before the complete collapse. I am wondering whats so wrong about that?
As for not getting every single persons blessing, well my times of play differ from all yours so i am sorta alone cept for a few that work late and so start late. I never did say the entire alliance was coming to form a new guild, just the actives that i saw at the time.
I dont want to fight with anyone nor do i want to see this drama driven saga given more breath....He said She said...big deal let it go, we have already.
Oh and another thing, invites will be open to any that want them, just cause i dont speak to everyone and ask doesnt mean i have wiped you all from my xmas card list. I posted initially on the boards cause it was the only way to let everyone know about what i was doing, not to cause dramas or fights or the rhetoric i am seeing about how good this is or that or i did this for those and for them or whatever.
Cause lets face it If we are getting into who did what for who i could probably count 90% of every single person in the entire alliance that i have helped in one way or another. That doesnt mean i am here to throw it back in all ya faces either, but it does give some sort of example of what i am willing to let go to make this new guild.
If people would just calm down a little and see it from the point of view of someone who has been told what i was told knowing full well that it would be myself and niq as about the only sole survivors of the guild, then see that niq is about to become a mum which will eat up a lot of her time, and then wonder who will be looking after the guild and alliance, well you guys can make your own conclusions. Suffice to say it would not have been me and will not be me, and even if this was to happen in a said timeframe of 6 months......thing is the end result is the same....A DEAD AND ALMOST BURIED ALLIANCE. Dont begrudge me and others getting an early start to what we see as being inevitable.
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Niquole
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(Date Posted:01/18/2007 11:45 PM)
ok hehe i know a little bit more about this then what i did a few days ago. first of all i dont see what the huge deal is. im sorry seriously i am but i mean if ppl arent going to play and then others decide to make a new guild of those who are left.. why is that bad? wayne said whoever wants to join just has to ask. im not going to say that im not a little hurt about no one wanting to keep drow running.. er to just all join that or whatever. i mean ppl did work hard on the villages and everything else. but in the long run the ones that were keeping the villages up well most of them are leaving or have already left. im just gonna stop there because i really dont know what else to say to make anyone feel better or to make anything right.
amanda im sorry if i didnt say hi much. to be honest i was pretty shy around you. no idea why lol. but if i saw ya i did try at least a few times. but again im sorry that you felt that way and maybe i or anyone else in the guild or new guild whatever will make up for that so that you dont feel that way!
for those that dont know i got a new job about 2 weeks ago. as i posted before being sick and starting a new job have taken over everything i have been doing but i get weekends off so you might see me on game if i dont make my moniter learn how to fly!!! i cant see very well cause this is a very old moniter.. waiting for taxes to come back so i can get a new one 
all in all i hope no one is upset by this. but i have learned that there is no reason to be upset on things you cannot change. your just making it hard on yourself to be upset. sometimes things need to just roll off the shoulder and then after that everything gets better
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ricksta
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(Date Posted:01/19/2007 9:44 AM)
Well, I can't say I blame Wayne, but I wish he had made a different decision. Perhaps took over the existing guild and made one guild. He is the only person consistently on when I am, and sometimes a few from Bane are on as well. It sounds like it is those individuals that are making their own guild.
But lets face it, there are few as dedicated to the game and the guild as Sara. She is the glue that held the alliance and especially the guild together. Jon, Niq, Wayne and others have made large contributions for a long time, but Sara built Noah's Arc and somehow kept all the animals fed for a long time. She was pretty much a one way street that led to everyone else's needs.
Here is how I see it. I think Wayne realized that while he is willing to help out and contribute more than his share (and he has helped me on more than one occasion-thanks Wayne), he is not willing to maintiain houses, potions and whatnot on behalf of 30+ people that play once in awhile and on 15 different servers. And realizing that Niq most likely won't be able to help keep the boat afloat as much down the road with the baby on its way (Grats, btw), he didn't feel it was a ship he wanted to sail alone.
I too am kinda hurt by it, but I will survive. I plan on staying in Drow, even if it is just me, because it is my home, but I am not going to shut the doors to anyone, except maybe to that whiny, self-centered little turd Amanda. I never met you, I don't recall playing with you or even seeing you in game, but based on your posts in this thread, I think I was one of the lucky ones. Like others said, if you wanted a social life in game, you have to be social. If you want to live in a box, then expect to collect some dust.
But anyway, I hope lots stay in Drow and the alliance. It sounds like several are. If you choose to move on (whether it be another guild or another game), then I wish you the best and hope you find what you are looking for. I enjoy playing with all of you and hope that it will continue. That is my 2 cents.
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Beywulf
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(Date Posted:01/20/2007 2:23 AM)
Apology accepted Sara,I never hold a grudge an more so I cant stay mad for long...the whole short term memory thing has its advantages sometimes. In truth you need not apologize to me,you have been my shoulder to cry/gripe/rant on for years now so it only seems right that I be yours when you need one. Now as for the direction that Lions is headed,well I have thought this through an this is my thoughts as I share leadership with a few others that are usually not on when I am,we will stay in the alliance until we are asked to leave. I do have a few toons that were in RB an one that was in Drow that have joined OotRR,but again this is just my toons not any of the other Lions.....but again I have toons in several of the alliance guilds,it is my way of being a part of it all. To be honest I do see both sides of this an although I cannot remain neutral I can remain a party who cares for all involved in this........so.........please all of you....stop this fightin an arguin....we are all family regardless of what has happened. Fact:we all used to be one alliance....so....a few left to start over fresh....does this mean we cannot be friends still an enjoy what time we have together? Fact:the way those that left was not the right way to do it......does that not mean that we ourselves havent done something the right way every time...heck for me I seldom do things right an constantly find myself in some sort of trouble especially when it comes to me trying to explain something....so does that make me a bad guy?.....answer;its your call. My point is simply this.....cant we just get along....again? In closing an many of you can back me up on this one.....I hate no no I HATE change,to me it is a 6 letter swear word,in fact in just this game alone I bet I have seen the most change an not always for the better than many or all of you.....ie;DotK totally made me a walking pariah but I see many of the same people that were there when it happened on this game still an they made the best of what happened to them after that mess an I think to myself......man...they survived an found new places an so did I an that was change an it wasnt all bad...so this change no matter how bad it seems now...may not be so bad. Oh an Sara,we dont want you to leave,we didnt want Jon or John to leave or any of the others who have,but we all understand that change happens an to fight an try to hold onto keepin things the way they are is selfish even to the point of insanity. That said,I respect your decision to move on to other realms of game play an hope more than anyone that you at least keep in touch with us. I will never quit playing DaoC.....I may or may not play Vanguard,but I know if I do I will be welcomed there. ~hugs~ an thank you for everything you have done for me.
Simply Yours,
Tyler.
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Out of the darkness an into the light.
Sometimes justice works too slow an we have to make our own laws,the right laws,the way they should be.
Beywulf bids ye a good day.
Rednyc lives.
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